Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
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- Joanbunting
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
One of my courses at lunch today was a cepes 9porcini) mushroom veloute topped with cream and truffle shavings. One guest , an Australian, who although she has lived here for 20 years. one could call a truffle virgin.
She was quite sniffy when told what she was to eat - as she didn't know what all the fuss is about. She then tasted it, had another spoondul and it was rather like a road to Damascus moment. all she said was "NOW i see"
RESULT
She was quite sniffy when told what she was to eat - as she didn't know what all the fuss is about. She then tasted it, had another spoondul and it was rather like a road to Damascus moment. all she said was "NOW i see"
RESULT
Cooking for those you care about is the most profound expression of love - Anne-Sophie Pic
- Alexandria
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Joan,
Thank you for sharing " The Truffle Virgin " mini story ..
Exemplary penning ..
Happy New Year ..
Thank you for sharing " The Truffle Virgin " mini story ..
Exemplary penning ..
Happy New Year ..
Barcelona, soulful & spirited, filled with fine art, amazing architecture, profoundly steeped in culture & history, and it engages all your senses, and food fancies.
- karadekoolaid
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Yes, I read all that, Member 461. I went through about half a dozen articles from various sources.
The best truffles are undoubtedly found in France and Northern Italy, although I understand Northern Spain has similar conditions.
However, truffles have successfully been grown in Australia, the USA, New Zealand, Chile and Argentina. Successfully; well, in the sense that some truffles have developed. Other truffle orchards have produced nothing at all.
What I did understand is that the truffle is a very complicated fungus. It not only has to have the right climatic conditions, including sunlight ( but not necessarily HOT sunlight), the right amount of humidity at the right time of the years, and not too much rain; it also requires the fungus to develop a symbiotic relationship with the roots of certain trees, as you mentioned.
The most complicated part of the conditions for growth, however, was the soil. It has to have the right texture, the right composition, the right aeration, the right inclination, the right pH, the right chemical composition; in short, it´s an exceedingly difficult and demanding item to grow.
The best truffles are undoubtedly found in France and Northern Italy, although I understand Northern Spain has similar conditions.
However, truffles have successfully been grown in Australia, the USA, New Zealand, Chile and Argentina. Successfully; well, in the sense that some truffles have developed. Other truffle orchards have produced nothing at all.
What I did understand is that the truffle is a very complicated fungus. It not only has to have the right climatic conditions, including sunlight ( but not necessarily HOT sunlight), the right amount of humidity at the right time of the years, and not too much rain; it also requires the fungus to develop a symbiotic relationship with the roots of certain trees, as you mentioned.
The most complicated part of the conditions for growth, however, was the soil. It has to have the right texture, the right composition, the right aeration, the right inclination, the right pH, the right chemical composition; in short, it´s an exceedingly difficult and demanding item to grow.
- Alexandria
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Karakoolaide,
Thank you for your feedback.
Yes I agree, and the neutral / akaline damp soil is quite a complicated accomplishment.
I have had truffles in several regions of Spain not too far from Barcelona, Navarra, The Basque Country, Lleida, Tarragona, Avila, and quite a few other regions as well, and of course Italy and France and when we were in Australia 2 years ago. The profiles have their nuances.
All quite exemplary !
All our best for a wonderful 2019 and pleased that you are well .. I had posted a message in CHATTERBOX, regarding the earthquake and after effects 130 km. from Caracas, however, I believe you did not see it ..
Thank you for your feedback.
Yes I agree, and the neutral / akaline damp soil is quite a complicated accomplishment.
I have had truffles in several regions of Spain not too far from Barcelona, Navarra, The Basque Country, Lleida, Tarragona, Avila, and quite a few other regions as well, and of course Italy and France and when we were in Australia 2 years ago. The profiles have their nuances.
All quite exemplary !
All our best for a wonderful 2019 and pleased that you are well .. I had posted a message in CHATTERBOX, regarding the earthquake and after effects 130 km. from Caracas, however, I believe you did not see it ..
Barcelona, soulful & spirited, filled with fine art, amazing architecture, profoundly steeped in culture & history, and it engages all your senses, and food fancies.
- karadekoolaid
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Happy New Year, Member 461!
No , didn´t see the Chatterbox post because I never go there!!
On New Year´s Eve, a friend brought some wonderful Manchego cheese.... infused with black truffles. Absolutely glorious; I couldn´t break away from the cheese board
Well despite the complexity, there are now truffles in strange parts of the world.
Mind you, 50 years ago they said the British would never be able to produce decent wine, and yet, in Biddenden, 15 miles from my home, they are now producing award-winning white and rosé wines; something I never dreamed to be possible. Climate change?
Could well be.
No , didn´t see the Chatterbox post because I never go there!!
On New Year´s Eve, a friend brought some wonderful Manchego cheese.... infused with black truffles. Absolutely glorious; I couldn´t break away from the cheese board
Well despite the complexity, there are now truffles in strange parts of the world.
Mind you, 50 years ago they said the British would never be able to produce decent wine, and yet, in Biddenden, 15 miles from my home, they are now producing award-winning white and rosé wines; something I never dreamed to be possible. Climate change?
Could well be.
- Alexandria
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Happy New Year Karakoolaide ..
Yes, I have seen several French and British Champagne growers in England too ! One of the founders of a Champagne Wine Estate is a friend of a friend, and Sue Stokey and I had this conversation awhile back. If I recall, his name is Hervé .. However, the surname, has slipped my memory bank, however, I have his business card at home.
This is fabulous for the British economy.
All my best wishes .. Now off to the ski slopes !
Yes, I have seen several French and British Champagne growers in England too ! One of the founders of a Champagne Wine Estate is a friend of a friend, and Sue Stokey and I had this conversation awhile back. If I recall, his name is Hervé .. However, the surname, has slipped my memory bank, however, I have his business card at home.
This is fabulous for the British economy.
All my best wishes .. Now off to the ski slopes !
Barcelona, soulful & spirited, filled with fine art, amazing architecture, profoundly steeped in culture & history, and it engages all your senses, and food fancies.
Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
I've enjoyed all the information about black truffles - learned a lot.
Couldn't help noticing that Tyrell Crisps now come in a Black Truffle version - in Waitrose on Sunday the price was £1.90, whereas their other crisps were £2.
Couldn't help noticing that Tyrell Crisps now come in a Black Truffle version - in Waitrose on Sunday the price was £1.90, whereas their other crisps were £2.
- Joanbunting
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
There are several different species of truffles and 2 seasons. The winter black tuber melanosporumare and are the expensive one.
Tuber Aestivum appear in summer and grow more widely, aren;t as tasty and are less expensive.
So when you come across a ready made product containing truffles they more often than not they contain summer truffles.
Tuber Aestivum appear in summer and grow more widely, aren;t as tasty and are less expensive.
So when you come across a ready made product containing truffles they more often than not they contain summer truffles.
Cooking for those you care about is the most profound expression of love - Anne-Sophie Pic
Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Even more interesting Joan, thank you. On the packet it lists 'black truffle powder' - could be the sweepings from the factory floor.
- Joanbunting
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Not really. Summer truffles are often dried, like mushrooms, and then ground up. To be perfectly truthful they don't exactly do that much to flavour - kind of vaguely fungal
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- Stokey Sue
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
And anything that claims to be truffle flavour - like crisps - will be synthetic
Always remember that smoky bacon flavour crisps are usually vegan
Always remember that smoky bacon flavour crisps are usually vegan
- strictlysalsaclare
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Hi Sue
I think the smokey bacon crisps have paprika in them don't they? When I was sauteing some vegetables at the weekend, I needed to add some paprika, and as it cooked there was definitely a strong smell of either smokey bacon or Texas barbecue Pringles coming from the pan. I'm not currently craving a tube of them, really I'm not 8 !
I think the smokey bacon crisps have paprika in them don't they? When I was sauteing some vegetables at the weekend, I needed to add some paprika, and as it cooked there was definitely a strong smell of either smokey bacon or Texas barbecue Pringles coming from the pan. I'm not currently craving a tube of them, really I'm not 8 !
Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Stokey Sue wrote:And anything that claims to be truffle flavour - like crisps - will be synthetic
As the Walkers brussels sprouts flavoured crisps were at Christmas - no sprout had ever been near them!
- Alexandria
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Re: Black Truffle Production & Climate Change
Just glimpsed at some of the comments made by several of the members ..
Joan: Thank you for your feedback.
Sue: Thank you for your commentary. Exactly .. Faux for sure ..
Petronius: Black Winter Truffles & The White Alba Truffles are quite expensive and highly likely, they won´t be put into packaged "snack food" ..
Have a lovely week ahead ..
Joan: Thank you for your feedback.
Sue: Thank you for your commentary. Exactly .. Faux for sure ..
Petronius: Black Winter Truffles & The White Alba Truffles are quite expensive and highly likely, they won´t be put into packaged "snack food" ..
Have a lovely week ahead ..
Barcelona, soulful & spirited, filled with fine art, amazing architecture, profoundly steeped in culture & history, and it engages all your senses, and food fancies.
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