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You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Sakkarin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:20 pm

A "Korean" impulse buy I found lurking at the back of my cupboard that I suspect I'd be better off throwing straight in the bin...

Jeez look at all those chemicals. Mainly salt. I think that's the only reason I kept it, as an example of industrial ingredient excess.

A challenge - post a pic of the ingredients list of the most "chemical brewish" product in your cupboard (or type it in if you can be bothered). Anyone got any Angel Delight?

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Renee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:26 pm

Sakkarin, I've never seen anything so horrendous! I'm sure that you will bin it!

Angel Delight? No I never did buy it after glancing through the ingredients.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Grasshopper » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:29 pm

OMG Sakks, that looks awful! What the Dickens is the product?

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Renee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:31 pm

That's a good question Grasshopper!

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Stokey Sue » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:43 pm

The thinG is that they have made the product by combining different prepared ingredients such as stock or some kind of beef paste and have just strung multiple ingredients lists together so you get repetition, how many times does “beef flavour” recur in some form?

The obvious chemical terms are just dextrose, maltodectrin and lactose which are sugars, citric acid, and the various E numbers which I think are caramel, msg etc
Nothing obviously nasty in fact, but I really don’t fancy it, I prefer food simpler than that!

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Renee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:55 pm

Agreed Sue and "beef flavour" doesn't mean that there is any beef there.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Earthmaiden » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:32 pm

I'm glad you've confirmed what i thought, Sue. It seems similar to a lot of products which are sold to add to casseroles and that kind of thing. Palm oil is probably one of the most objectionable things there. Obviously I'd prefer not to use it but it probably tastes fine when used as intended.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby jeral » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:10 am

It is an improvement on original labels which said, e.g. Salt, E this, E that, E... ad infinitum. At least the one shown gives hints as to what the Es are.

I think I heard recently that some labellers have decided to omit the E nos. as not obligatory and are offputting, but still provided that the ingredients do have one where required of course whether quoted or not.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby karadekoolaid » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:32 am

"Flavour enhancers"
Probably MSG in some form or another!

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Stokey Sue » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:22 am

Flavour enhancers will be msg or other amino acids probably, all of which are naturally present in products such as soy sauce, fish sauce and Marmite. They are also made in your body every time you digest protein.

Your regular reminder that a substance only gets an E number if there has been a review and it has been agreed to be safe. It’s the ones without E numbers you need to worry about more

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Stokey Sue » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:34 am

E621 = monosodium glutamate
E635 = disodium 5’-ribonucleotides
E627 = sodium guanylate

E340 = potassium phosphates

E150s = ammonia caramels

Only the E150 not naturally present in foods and humans

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Suffs » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:59 am

This thread triggered an attack of nostalgia ... this coincided with a milk surplus in the fridge ... I’ve just had a text from a delivery company ... my 24 pack of Butterscotch Angel Delight is out today delivery!

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If we get fed up with it we’ll put it in DS’s C’mas Stocking :thumbsup :lol:

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby mistakened » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:14 am

Suffs wrote: my 24 pack of Butterscotch Angel Delight is out today delivery!

Good Grief Woman, get a grip :o

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Suffs » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:43 pm

It says ‘no artificial flavours, colours or preservatives’

https://www.angeldelightdesserts.co.uk/

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Sakkarin » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:10 pm

Only natural "yummy tasting clouds of fluffiness" :geek:

Probably my guiltiest foodie secret is that I occasionally use gravy granules to add some gloop to my roast chicken when I can't be bothered to do anything posh with it.

Anyway, I just reached for the gravy granules to whether it had a noteworthy collection of chemicals, and noticed that they no longer even bother to call it "Beef Flavour', now they just call it "For Beef".

No obtuse ingredients, I only really posted because the "FOR beef" thing amused me - the first three ingredients listed are Potato Starch, Palm Oil and Salt. Given that it conveniently tells us in the nutritional info that there's 1.8g of salt in a 200g tub (18 pine nuts?), that's pretty much all it is. The cheapest starch they can lay their hands on, the cheapest oil oil and salt.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Sakkarin » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:14 pm

Ha! The first three ingredients in Butterscotch Angel Delight are sugar, modified starch and palm oil. Basically it's sweet gravy granules...

Sugar, Modified Starch, Palm Oil, Gelling Agents (Sodium Phosphates, Diphosphates), Emulsifiers (Propylene Glycol Esters of Fatty Acids, Lecithins), Lactose (Milk), Colours (Plain Caramel, Carotenes), Milk Proteins, Butter Powder (1%) (Dried Butter (Milk), Glucose Syrup, Milk Proteins, Stabiliser (Triphosphate)), Light Brown Sugar (1%), Whey Powder (Milk), Calcium Carbonate, Anti-Caking Agent (Silicon Dioxide), Flavouring

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby smitch » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:15 pm

Love Angel Delight. Not had any for ages.

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Lokelani » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:00 pm

Oh no, I've just given in to temptation & bought a trip down memory lane.... also known as Angel Delight!!! Strawberry. I also loved the banana & the raspberry. Interestingly neither husband or I remember liking the butterscotch. It would be awful to have an Angel Delight squabble over flavours!! :lol: Chocolate was okay I seem to remember. At least they don't have hydrogenated fats in like some of the instant mousse things I just saw when I searched.

They also have milk powder & dried butter, I might be clutching at straws here, but that's calcium, so that's good for us right?????

They'll be used as a weekend treat. :)

As for the long ingredients for the thread I'll have to buy a Pot Noodle, that's got to be pretty bad right?

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby Sakkarin » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:20 pm

Ha, of course, Pot Knoodle, the food that isn't food!

I have a feeling a pack of Angel Delight might accidentally find its way into my trolley next shop...

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Re: You need a degree in chemistry to work out what this is!

Postby jeral » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Lokelani wrote:...

At least they don't have hydrogenated fats in like some of the instant mousse things I just saw when I searched.
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Are you sure it isn't hydrolysed veg fat or oil or protein? That's the acceptable one. I used to confuse the two when the furore over hydrogenated started. I think hydrogenated is now very rare although still not illegal in the UK as far as I can tell.

Instant Whip butterscotch was my fave, but Angel Delight is a no go for me due to my milk proteins allergy. Dehydrating or deconstructing milk/butter isn't harmful at all but I don't know how much goodness is retained.

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