Difference between garnish and garniture ?

[wargarden Profile]

Do you know the difference garnish and garniture ?

[Sakkarin Profile]

Possibly akin to the difference between furnish and furniture?

EDIT: P.S. That's a "no" here....

[jeral Profile]

Garniture means the use of garnish items to make a composite garnish for a dish, being a combination of e.g. micro herbs, petals, dustings, dots and scrapes.

I wonder where the word garniture originated as it definitely gives off a cheffie vibe.

[Stokey Sue Profile]

OK, reference book roulette

Without looking it up, I would say garnish is something put on mainly for decoration, a sprig of parsley, sprinkles, even a cutlet frill etc


A garniture is something served with the main element, usually on the same plate, to enhance it, so the pineapple ring with ham, the yorkie with roast beef

<opens Larousse and looks>
Well, they think garnish is what I have described for garniture, but they don't have an entry for garniture, but I'm guessing I've reversed them

Ah, interesting, it seems mine is the conventional dictionary usage, but culinary usage is often as described in Larousse (they cite Pépin)

Edited to add the link I forgot
https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/08/garnish.html

[wargarden Profile]

Stokey Sue the pineapple cooked with ham has an actually use in the cooking.

[Stokey Sue Profile]

Stokey Sue the pineapple cooked with ham has an actually use in the cooking.

Well, that depends on whether you actually cook with or merely serve with, but both Larousse and Pépin seem to describe a garnish as an essential accompaniment often expected with the main dish

So, as I don't do that kind of restaurant cooking at home, I'm struggling to think of more haute cuisine examples - there are chicken dishes always served with asparagus tips on the platter for example

[Sakkarin Profile]

Stokey Sue the pineapple cooked with ham has an actually use in the cooking.

But probably best left in the tin...

[miss mouse Profile]

Isn't one a verb and the other a noun?

[jeral Profile]

Nah, Sakkarin, can't leave pineapple rings in the tin as they're not completed until removed and half a glazed cherry is popped into the centre, or if ultra-posh like Dame Edna a maraschino cherry

wargarden, I'd be happy to explain the above if the same wasn't prevalent in the US at the time ('70s). Meanwhile, what made you ask us your thread title question? Is garniture now used as every other word in cheffie talk where you are? Ta.

[Suffs Profile]

Whether in antiques, jewellery or cooking ... I understand a garniture to be an assemblage of things added to a main piece in order to enhance it ... eg matching candlesticks to accompany a mantel clock; matching pearl drop earrings to enhance a pearl necklace, and in cookery perhaps the torn basil leaves and finely chopped chives I added to the minestrone for the last few minutes of cooking, in order to enhance its flavour ... not merely to decorate.

[Alexandria Profile]

To Garnish ( a verb and a noun) denotes to decorate or "jazz up" (a plate for example, with cherry tomatoes, herbs, sprinkles, food glitter etcetra ) ..

Garniture, is the collocation of decorative accessories, as Suffs stated, 2 candles on a mantel on each side of a clock or "nik nak" or statue, etcetra ..

So, linen napkins and wine glasses & wáter glasses could be considered garniture, as well as silverware.

[Sakkarin Profile]

Is there a point to this thread?

[jeral Profile]

There might be. I have asked wargarden what prompted the question

[Rainbow Profile]

Is there a point to this thread?

I haven't seen one yet!!
I thought just a bit of showing off and making others feel ignorant?

I don't know the word 'garniture', but maybe it just isn't used in Oz

[Stokey Sue Profile]

Well, if you Google define garniture it tells you that it’s a set of decorative objects, especially vases ?:

Which would explain why it’s not in Larousse

So in food terms it’s the epergne or table centre. Nothing actually to do with the food.

In terms of domestic cookery, i think the fine dining definition is irrelevant, either I serve it “with” mushrooms or whatever, or I don’t

[Suffs Profile]

Is there a point to this thread?

Perhaps it’s a quiz ? ... with prizes ???

[dennispc Profile]

I don't know the word 'garniture', but maybe it just isn't used in Oz

Nor me Rainbow - but my life is now complete; nothing to do with food.

http://gotheborg.com/glossary/garniture.shtml

[Suffs Profile]

Interesting use of the word here https://chefsopinion.org/tag/garniture/

Could there have been a series of Chinese Whisper-like mis-uses of the term ... to be fair to chefs, the majority are not academics ... their career choice usually necessitates a long apprenticeship from a young age ... in these days of the internet, it only requires one misuse/mis-translation/misunderstanding of a term on a restaurant menu for it to proliferate rapidly across the globe, and suddenly a word used in cooking may have a meaning quite distanced from its origin.

[Sakkarin Profile]

If that's right, then it's basically my guess in the second post on the thread...

Not a term I've heard in many decades of cooking and many hundreds of recipe books though.

[Joanbunting Profile]

I found this earlier.

https://wikidiff.com/garnish/garniture